Saturday, February 18, 2012

Response to the response to the response to the response

Australia could very well have a dictator sometime within the next couple hundred years, but if that happens, I believe it will be because Australia failed to address the warning signs listed in my prior post.   Gun control laws would be a side note, not a major reason for the downfall of their freedom.

Drawing a straight line between a country’s freedom and its guns is a one-dimensional approach.  It is true that we have a high level of freedom here in the U.S., and it is also true that a lot of people own firearms in our nation.  In fact, in a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 179 countries across the globe, the United States ranked #1 (A). 

However, in that same study, Yemen’s rate of private gun ownership ranked #2 (B), Saudi Arabia ranked #7 (C), and Iraq ranked #8 (D).  Are these countries less likely to have a dictator at some point in the next couple hundred years than Australia?

I’d also like to clarify what I meant when I wrote, “a gun that is incapable of inflicting bodily damage or death has lost all of its intrinsic value.”

This statement was not meant to suggest that guns don’t provide any benefit beyond inflicting death, or that gun owners are violent people overtaken by their own unrelenting blood-lust.

The “intrinsic” value of an item is the fundamental benefit that the object provides because it is what it is – it’s the function for which it was designed.  I argued that any comparison of a gun to a refrigerator, a baseball bat, or an automobile is misleading – those items can be used (or misused) as weapons, but the intrinsic value of those items is unrelated to their lethality.

An object can have value in addition to and beyond its intrinsic value.  For example, my guitar is an Epiphone Dot Archtop, which sells for $400.  However, its value to me is much greater because it was a gift, and I have used it for a long time and am now very attached to it.  In spite of its relatively low dollar value, I intend to keep my guitar until the day I die.

An object can have value in spite of the fact that it has lost most or all of its intrinsic value.  For example, the intrinsic value of a book is in its ability to be read, but some books that are several hundred years old are worth over $100,000, and you wouldn’t want to flip through those books for fear of damaging them.  They are valued as rare artifacts, not as books.

A gun can also be valued as a gift, a family inheritance, an antique, or a rare artifact.  Like a frisbee, or a fishing rod, a gun can also because it’s fun to use with family and friends, and gives us an excuse to enjoy the outdoors.  But the intrinsic value of a firearm is that it enables its user to injure or kill with ease.  This is the basic characteristic that separates a gun from a guitar, or a rare book.  This is the reason a person opts to spend $450 on a Glock instead of $2 on a frisbee, or $35 on a fishing rod.






Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Response to the response to the response

In regards to "government being the problem, not the solution".

I was using a sweeping generalization because that is how I felt when the president stated a problem and then stated how the government is here to solve it for you. I feel that in order to be a leader you have to use ideas and the idea that Reagan stated in that quote is what I am behind.

The ideal expressed by saying that "government is the problem not the solution" does excite certain people, but 235 years ago "We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal" excited a lot of people too, I think some other people when they read or heard it may have thought "These words show that even now, the most successful politicians are adept at riling up their base supporters by using ambiguous, sweeping generalizations which fail to address any particular issue with even the slightest bit of intelligence, insight or nuance."

If you step back and realize that when president Reagan took office and throughout his presidency congress was controlled by the opposite party except for 2 years when republicans controlled the senate it may offer some insight into the growth of government that you are blaming on Reagan. In fact the tax hikes that you cite were finally agreed to contingent on promises of spending decreases. If you are referring to a growth in the military to effect "peace through strength" that ended the cold war, that is growth in government that ended the cold war. Chris Edwards makes the point I am trying to make better than I can.

When the budget is looked at as a share of the economy, Reagan's legacy looks a bit better from a small-government perspective. Federal revenues as a share of gross domestic product fell from 19.6 percent in 1981 to 18.3 percent by 1989. Spending fell from 22.2 percent to 21.2 percent. Thus, Ronald Reagan shrank the federal government by about 5 percent — a less radical change than supporters or detractors often claim. (1)

In summary, whether or not the gipper lived up to the ideal stated in the quote has been and will continue to be a subject of debate. All politicians and anyone who has ideas find their idealism attenuated by the practical realities of their circumstances. The political realities of what happened after the quote was said doesn't in my opinion dilute the impact. I feel that this also applies to the Reagan quote I chose on gun control.

I feel like your cost benefit analysis makes some great points and I agree with them but I like to be concise and get to the bottom line. I feel that the point of the 2nd amendment intends to give us the right to bear arms so that our personal security from criminals as well as tyrants is
possible to be retained as a personal responsibility. When you cite Australia as a gun free country that has not given rise to a tyrant, they have only been gun free since 1996. I say wait a couple hundred years and let's see.

Another point about your cost benefit analysis that I wanted to address is that you unequivocally state that guns have no intrinsic value except to kill people. I think that comes from a view of a person who just doesn't like guns. The same way I don't like sports. It would be like me saying that we should ban the NBA because a lot of NBA players commit crimes and are a menace to society. I enjoy shooting guns personally and with my family and friends in a way that is difficult to quantify just like I imagine it is difficult for a basketball fan to quantify his enjoyment of watching NBA games. I do not feel that the NBA should be banned because I don't like it or because there is some negative consequences to having an NBA.


RESPONSE TO RONALDUS’ RESPONSE TO MY POST ON GUN CONTROL

I’ll begin with a quick aside about the whole, “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem” thing. 

This quote shows that even 30 years ago, the most successful politicians were adept at riling up their base supporters by using ambiguous, sweeping generalizations which fail to address any particular issue with even the slightest bit of intelligence, insight or nuance.  I’m sure this quote is often cited by people who strongly feel that smaller is better when it comes to government (except when it comes to military spending same-sex marriage, abortion, constructing a fence along the Mexican border, preemptive strikes, building a permanent Moon colony, etc).  I also wonder whether the government-is-not-the-solution crowd realize that two bills Reagan passed in 1982 and 1984 together constituted the biggest tax increase ever enacted during peacetime (1), and that the federal government grew by 2.8% in real terms under President Reagan (2).  

Anyways, on to gun control. 

In my original post, I argued that the drawbacks of making firearms easily accessible to the general population outweighed the benefits.  My argument was presented as a cost-benefit analysis, in which I reasoned that although guns do save lives in some instances, society ultimately pays a much higher price in terms of lives lost, gun-related injuries, decreased security, and over $2 billion in annual medical costs.    I was pleasantly surprised to find that Ronaldus’ response didn’t contest any of these conclusions; I had been worried that I had overlooked some critical flaw in my original argument. 

Instead, Ronaldus simply posted a quote by Ronald Reagan, in which the Gipper contended that a society that gives up its right to bear arms is giving up its means of “protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism — government.”

Reagan said, “if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it. When dictators come to power, the first thing they do is take away the people's weapons. It makes it so much easier for the secret police to operate, it makes it so much easier to force the will of the ruler upon the ruled.”

My initial thought was that it was interesting that this quote was taken from an article published in 1975, five and a half years before Reagan and three others were shot and wounded in an assassination attempt.  Although gun control laws did not change significantly during his administration, Reagan did later support the two most significant and controversial gun control measures in the last 30 years: 1993’s Brady Bill and 1994’s Assault Weapons Ban (3).

Seriously though, if we’re going to identify factors that lead to evil dictatorships, we need to begin with mustaches.  Gaddafi, Stalin, Castro, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Assad, and Ming the Merciless were all mustached men, so mustaches must play a crucial role in any dictator’s rise to power. 

But wait!  Gandhi had a mustache too.  Damn.  There goes that theory.

Similarly, strict gun control laws may have been enforced in some countries where dictators took control, but we would be mistaken to conclude that those gun control laws were a key factor that enabled the rise of the dictators.

What about the U.K., Japan, Australia, and scores of other countries where there are strict gun control laws in place?  If gun control is such an important determining factor in regards to a nation’s liberty, why are these countries still enjoying freedom?

Is it possible that Reagan’s comments were overly-simplistic, and that while some dictators have used gun control to their advantage, other dictators have also used lack or gun control to their advantage as well?  If gun control is such an essential component of a dictatorship, then how do we explain African warlords and dictators (such as Charles Taylor), who have been able to gain control of nations or parts of nations in spite of rampant firearm proliferation and absolutely no effective gun control measures?

Based on my own limited knowledge and understanding, I’d say that the following elements play a crucial role in the rise of dictatorships:

1.     A persuasive, intelligent, and driven leader.

2.     The ability to capitalize on the widespread fear and/or anger of a society, usually through the demonization of a minority group within the country itself or another foreign country.

3.     Legal/constitutional controls designed to prevent the consolidation of political and military power are ineffective or absent.

4.     The rising dictator has the ability to gain a high level of financial backing.

5.     Effective use of propaganda to promote a sense of hyper-patriotism and a cult of personality.

6.     The demonization of a minority group within the country and/or another foreign country

7.     Powerful (and often violent) suppression of political opposition, to create an environment where nobody dares voice their dissent.

8.     State control of the media.

9.     The dictator is physically isolated from the general population, and surrounded by his cronies and yes-men whose success, lifestyles and safety are absolutely dependent upon the dictatorship maintaining control.

This is not an all-inclusive list, but these are the warning signs I would be worried about.  The infusion of astronomical amounts of money into politics, the demonization of those who follow a “different” religion or lifestyle, saber-rattling, inflammatory rhetoric intentionally rousing people to anger, the overriding of constitutionally established separation of powers, the increasing use of  labels and name-calling in place of thoughtful debate, placing a higher priority on a candidate’s personality than his/her credentials, treating politicians as celebrities, these are the red flags that have me concerned about both sides in American politics. 

Sorry I’m not as concise as Ronaldus.